tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post1946384901162390526..comments2023-10-17T08:19:17.319-07:00Comments on Conditioning Research: Squats and deadlifts.....Chrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00223657383325055342noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-43636967131055279332010-11-13T22:31:06.011-08:002010-11-13T22:31:06.011-08:00@jon w, check out Kelly Starrett's mobility WO...@jon w, check out Kelly Starrett's mobility WODs (mobilitywod.blogspot.com)Danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-38146034856648281272010-11-10T11:39:16.929-08:002010-11-10T11:39:16.929-08:00Well, I do my deadlifts off a four inch platform a...Well, I do my deadlifts off a four inch platform and with a wide, snatch, grip. This allows me to start the lift with high hips, and a horisontal back, just like my instinct tells me to lift. And I still have to use my quads since I have to "squat" down to the bar. My knee angle is almost 90 degrees even when my hips are high and I start the lift.<br />My guess is that my lifting position is exactly how it would be if I was lifting a heavy rock, with my hands touching the ground.<br />Then I try to move the weight slowly, just like Pavel says...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-86861962155007830352010-11-09T19:00:24.649-08:002010-11-09T19:00:24.649-08:00dude, I invented the dead-squat, that shit is mad ...dude, I invented the dead-squat, that shit is mad primal. suck on that third world!! LOL<br /><br />DREW<br />http://invincibleforce.blogspot.com/Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11110842050304580576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-80386520814578371352010-11-09T16:35:32.904-08:002010-11-09T16:35:32.904-08:00This is very intersting article on the video you p...This is very intersting article on the video you posted. Thanks for sharing your outlook. For a great ab workout, check out the AbStand machine! http://www.abstand.netEmilyhttp://www.abstand.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-90357050398583599612010-11-09T07:21:47.858-08:002010-11-09T07:21:47.858-08:00I agree that Don is off-base this time. The notion...I agree that Don is off-base this time. The notion that quads are bigger and more "fundamental" than glutes (aside from questionable in its own right) also implies that knee extension is more fundamental than hip extension... which I think is a very dubious claim. Not only are the hips more central to all compound motion, but they are largest bony mass in the body and much stronger than the knees.Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11930619365150891699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-33412277638496174222010-11-09T06:15:01.583-08:002010-11-09T06:15:01.583-08:00something I've been wondering about for awhile...something I've been wondering about for awhile... how to recover the ability to "hang out" in a relaxed squat position? feet close together, toes pointed nearly forward, just squat back on the heels without discomfort? old people in thailand can do it, my kids can do it, but for me to get down in a squat I have to spread my legs to shoulder width or more and point my toes out - even then I lose circulation after 5 minutes...jon whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418296789422616035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-89308023275488556842010-11-09T04:40:11.371-08:002010-11-09T04:40:11.371-08:00sorry, I meant squats and deadlifts...sorry, I meant squats and deadlifts...pieter dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-44462479055079379052010-11-09T02:45:24.171-08:002010-11-09T02:45:24.171-08:00I agree that the argument of the quadriceps as bul...I agree that the argument of the quadriceps as bulkiest muscle is rather weak. Strength/power output is the product of muscle cross sectional area and the biomechanics (leverage).<br /><br />I had to check with google, but world records of squats and powerlifts are about the same poundage, so even though the hamstrings are not as bulky, they (together with the rest of the posterior chain), deliver as much output as the quads.<br /><br />Natural selection works on function.pieter dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-17068404429812055412010-11-08T23:24:01.246-08:002010-11-08T23:24:01.246-08:00As I said, an interesting debate. I actually thin...As I said, an interesting debate. I actually think that Don's source is wrong on this one. Squatting as a movement pattern: fine - it is to be maintained and developed. However we lift things by deadlifting. It is as Gray Cook demonstrates in that video - we might squat to investigate but to lift we pull things in and bend over with a hip hinge.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00223657383325055342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-20613593420739981762010-11-08T18:53:30.781-08:002010-11-08T18:53:30.781-08:00I'm not convinced on the argument regarding th...I'm not convinced on the argument regarding the quads being a bigger muscle, therefore the squat is the better of the two. By cross-sectional area, tendon type, line of pull, length of muscle, the glutes(in combination) are likely to be stronger... though it is a moot point. Both the squat AND deadlift are important 'primal' moves for humans and both should be trained - emphasis or de-emphasis based on indiviudal parameters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-50137248557610958562010-11-08T14:16:15.610-08:002010-11-08T14:16:15.610-08:00This is a great post. Wow, coming from the city of...This is a great post. Wow, coming from the city of vegetarians and vegans I can't thank you enough for putting together so many loose ends for me. Wow! I literally tell everyone I know to do the 'hunker down' and 'body weight squats' and they always look at me crazy, or askance as if I am keeping my fitness secrets hidden.Donovanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01582097620864417659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-12965819337283977912010-11-08T14:13:09.438-08:002010-11-08T14:13:09.438-08:00Note that a bodyweight [full] squat is different f...Note that a bodyweight [full] squat is different from weight training squat in that it's normal to allow the back to round with no barbell. In a barbell squat, to keep the back arched, hip (mostly adductor) and ankle mobility become important, and this puts ends up giving the quads more emphasis than in bodyweight squat because the ankles must flex proportionally more than the hips.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05161850700121191487noreply@blogger.com