tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post525622834988627802..comments2023-10-17T08:19:17.319-07:00Comments on Conditioning Research: more on functional trainingChrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00223657383325055342noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-88160508786852408322009-09-22T07:03:20.083-07:002009-09-22T07:03:20.083-07:00We're on the same page here for sure. The Snow...We're on the same page here for sure. The Snowboarder analogy is a good one.<br /><br />Fun is crucial. But once again, a mastery of the basics opens up doors to all sorts of fun. Chris himself wound up doing Krav as a result of coming to a Kettlebell workshop that led to a conditioning class etcetc.<br /><br />I take my cues from the guys out there who are still doing what they love irrespective of age.<br /><br />Man, I am such a bore with this but I'll say it again, my ability to perfrom the simple stuff well has been the spring board to so much else. And if in doubt, I will always revert to the fundamentals.<br /><br />Our manta's are...<br /><br />Simple Practice Leads to Superior Perfromance.<br /><br />Training is trauma - mobility is medicine.Rannoch Donaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03626186803479276281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-38454939074386023212009-09-18T07:21:05.669-07:002009-09-18T07:21:05.669-07:00Rannoch -
Absolutely. The elite are those who ca...Rannoch - <br /><br />Absolutely. The elite are those who can perform the basics the best. You never see a snowboarder who has a great 540 but a terrible 180. <br /><br />One of my martial arts instructors was teaching us about knife-fighting and he said, "Forget all the complicated stuff. Just get good at one solid technique; make it so strong nobody can stop you - that's enough."Eugene Thonghttp://eugenization.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-54202458396366384862009-09-18T00:33:56.979-07:002009-09-18T00:33:56.979-07:00PS: I do like the more compound movements because ...PS: I do like the more compound movements because I think the intensity/threat is bigger and therefore the response could be better.pieter dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-7762234208627302392009-09-18T00:06:11.539-07:002009-09-18T00:06:11.539-07:00Functional training means training for a specific ...Functional training means training for a specific function, I guess?<br /><br />So if you're a office worker with a family and no specific sporting needs, is a Nautilus machine functional? I guess not... But is oly lifting functional? Probably not? And doing push-ups, burpees and pullups? Probably neither.<br /><br />So why bother? Because of the fun? Because of the variation? Because of the hype?<br /><br />Is one method better? Probably depends of your goal. But if your goal is general fitness and health? Probably doesn't matter very much? <br /><br />Intensity and recuperation are probably the key to good results.<br /><br />And indeed: proper technique is fundamental.<br /><br />Afraid of injuries: use proper technique and take care of intensity and recuperation and you don't need to have Nautilus machines with special cams and wathever<br /><br />Pieterpieter dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-12764768606105686882009-09-17T14:09:24.401-07:002009-09-17T14:09:24.401-07:00Rannoch,
that is SO TRUE.
Our teacher always told ...Rannoch,<br />that is SO TRUE.<br />Our teacher always told people that what you saw him do is just the basics/foundation executed very very well. He would then say in his broken english, all of you stink because your basics still stink ;-)<br /><br />Thanks for spelling that out to everyone very clearly!<br /><br />MarcMarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11282762521120556778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-30034673597302948332009-09-17T12:51:39.782-07:002009-09-17T12:51:39.782-07:00Basics are only boring if you can't do them. O...Basics are only boring if you can't do them. Otherwise they are the key so sophisticated perfromance. That is the irony. <br /><br />People sweat bullets trying to do a one arm push up when they don't have the physical control to do 30 crisp regular push ups. Master the later and the the former becomes possible.<br /><br />Martial arts is another tgreat example. People get bored so they look for novelty. then they wonder why a guy with nothing more than a solid jab can run rings around them.<br /><br />There is nothing without foundation. <br /><br />If you are not getting results, chances are you just aren't training the basics consistently and hard enough.<br /><br />RRannoch Donaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03626186803479276281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-49065325831823564552009-09-17T07:03:01.469-07:002009-09-17T07:03:01.469-07:00Chris -
I think you hit the nail on the head ther...Chris -<br /><br />I think you hit the nail on the head there. There's a lot of splitting hairs on the Internet about training considerations that don't even warrant consideration by the person. Why debate the effectiveness of wobbly board training vs cables vs battling ropes when you can't squat or deadlift your bodyweight? Better to develop a foundation of strength and work from there.<br /><br />Basics are boring, but they are fundamental and necessary.<br /><br />Thanks for the great posts.Eugene Thonghttp://eugenization.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-74028787368679744632009-09-17T05:17:28.818-07:002009-09-17T05:17:28.818-07:00Rannoch - very true.
I think for most people as...Rannoch - very true. <br /><br />I think for most people as you've pointed out a couple of times the key is the basics and consistency on the basics. <br /><br />Most of us are not int he 1% or even the 5% yet a lot of what is written out there is is there for the elite. The basic all round stuff is what we need generally coupled with some specific skill practice.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00223657383325055342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-2326611701183684772009-09-17T04:36:15.290-07:002009-09-17T04:36:15.290-07:00Good stuff as always Chris. The danger here is we ...Good stuff as always Chris. The danger here is we are entering into high performance territory. For those looking to shave milliseconds or ad millimeters, the devil really is in the details.<br /><br />The sports scholarship culture in the US has created an entire industry round perfromance measurement. As a result everyone is under the microscope. In turn these measures become an industry standard of sorts.<br /><br />But for the other 99% looking to improve their pick up basket ball game,hit the pads a little harder or simply be fit for purpose we will always come back to the general stuff. If for no other reason than it leaves us time to do the specific activity we choose.Rannoch Donaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03626186803479276281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2467994117916260529.post-31180206708765621832009-09-16T17:02:24.986-07:002009-09-16T17:02:24.986-07:00Great Post Chris. I always enjoy reading things th...Great Post Chris. I always enjoy reading things that will change my mind about this (as has happened a few times). Each time it changes, I end up closer to the middle though.<br /><br />I wonder if this progression is what Vern is talking about:<br /><br />1) The actual activity - Vertical Jump<br />2) First Derivative - Power Clean - similar components, with no compromise on speed (as fast as possible)<br />3) Second Derivative - Deadlift/Squat - similar but not attempting to replicate speed.<br />4) Third Derivative - Leg press - very far removed with coincidental similarities.<br /><br />I have come to think that a program of powercleaning and vertical jump practice would make you better at vertical jumping than a program of deadlifting and vertical jumping (even though I mostly just deadlift right now).Brycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07485589400686017338noreply@blogger.com