Another quick thought.
If you are into hillwalking / hiking / backpacking you will have seen people walking with poles. The usual justification is that it takes pressure off the knees. My observation is that it seems to mess up people's gait, especially in climbing or descending.
My current theory is that it impacts on proprioception. This is the way in which the brain senses the body's position in space, through various sensors - propriceptors - throughout the body in nerve endings in muscles, tendons and joints. The brain relies on complex and rich sensory data from across the body to maintain balance and posture as we move.
Perhaps using poles diminishes the way in which weight is carried through the feet and so the sensory input is also diminished ...... and this has a negative impact on balance and gait.
It is similar to the way in which shoes and stiff soled boots blunt the sensory impact and damage gait.
Just a thought.
If you are into hillwalking / hiking / backpacking you will have seen people walking with poles. The usual justification is that it takes pressure off the knees. My observation is that it seems to mess up people's gait, especially in climbing or descending.
My current theory is that it impacts on proprioception. This is the way in which the brain senses the body's position in space, through various sensors - propriceptors - throughout the body in nerve endings in muscles, tendons and joints. The brain relies on complex and rich sensory data from across the body to maintain balance and posture as we move.
Perhaps using poles diminishes the way in which weight is carried through the feet and so the sensory input is also diminished ...... and this has a negative impact on balance and gait.
It is similar to the way in which shoes and stiff soled boots blunt the sensory impact and damage gait.
Just a thought.
Comments
Otherwise they're just extra weight, and they're actually an impediment in rough terrain (i.e. Class 3/4 scrambling, or any talus climbing), because they must be carried somehow.
I think their popularity is mainly due to gadgetism: it's one more thing to sell you in order to engage in an activity (hiking) for which you shouldn't need anything but the shoes you already own.
JS
Walking on all fours, eg. scrambling up a hillside, does not diminish your proprioception.
I have never felt the need for poles and would only consider using them for negotiating very steep slopes or river crossings (and even then one pole would be enough). If someone needs to walk with two poles because they are not confident in talus,scree whatever then it would be best to develop the confidence than rely on poles.
A couple weeks ago, I re-entered an Exerstriding, ("NordicWalking") phase, this time, mixing in wearing a weighvest ( www.weightvest.com , no affiliation, ) on some days. I must say, I love Exerstriding ! Chris MAY be right on the money as far as using them on hill trails, but I use them around my neighborhood, in local parks and at the local HS track. To me, the movement is very much like swimming. Recruitment of the torso feels GREAT.
"If you depend on two sticks to hike with now what will you will be like in 20-30 years if for some reason you have to do without them?"
I don't know if "depend" is the right term here. These are not crutches. Like everything else outside our bodies, they are tools, hopefully for development. I certainly train now with the intent to be able to do this stuff indefinitely. I don't see this "having to do w/o them..." as being a reason not to use them. Should I drop KB swings from my program now b/c someday, G-d forbid, I may lose my arm ? Uh..I don't think so.
I have been doing "C-PEN" running, (Chi, Pose, Evolution, Natural,) with the poles. As a "stand all day at work," kinda guy, I find the effect on posture to be beneficial and significant.
Pole walking is another one of those things that "looks silly." I wonder sometimes about the very first bicycles, the kind with the huge front wheel. How "silly" did they look ?
I hope more people have the "courage" to try pole walking. I am certain that 30-60 minutes per day, (no fancy gym, no expensive cert., etc., ) would heal MANY of our society's ills.
Just sayin'...
Thanks Chris !
Eddie
"I wonder if adding the walking poles would curtail those benefits in some way."
How could it ? Why would it ? Walking with poles is still walking, just with poles. The implication that it might be less beneficial would suggest that carrying something, even a light load, diminishes the positive effects.
On the other hand, such finding might have crossover to proving a pet theory of mine: To wit, that chewing gum while walking reduces the benefits attained walking w/o chewing gum.
Eddie
:-)
BTW, for those who do "core" work, each pole plant, and especially double pole planting, feels like a brief "plank" position. The rhythmic tension/relaxation involved feels great as well.
Dude, try 'em out and see for yourself. No way these are bad for anyone. If I'm wrong, your Estate can publicize the fact that I steered you wrong :-)
Really, try 'em. Exerstrider (again, no affiliation,) offers this money back guarantee.
http://www.walkingpoles.com/content/view/30/43/
No downside.
If you do, please report your findings.
Enjoy ! :-)
Eddie
If you use poles all of the time you’ll lose the ability to balance naturally as you step up, walk over uneven ground or boulder hop. So if you are only taking a short walk with a light pack then leave the poles behind or save them for the steep descents. Youngsters need to develop this skill, called proprioception, before they walk any distance using poles.
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I have posted comments on this blog before. I really like what is offered on ConditioningResearch.com and live in alignment with much of what is offered here.
I understand that you can't see through the cloud of anonymity and BS that is the interwebs. Maybe I'm a con man, LOL. ("Psst. Hey pal, wanna buy some walking poles?")
As an active 51 y.o., I've seen and tried many approaches to healthy living over the years. I honestly believe walking poles, (distinguishing from trekking here,) offer something wonderful for many, many people.
For those for whom this is not true, Peace :-)
Eddie
As for hiking-- when I was climbing the mtns here in Australia I never used a stick. the only advantage would be on slippery loose gravel going downhill...and fording streams across slippery rocks.
I'm saying this as a daily trekking pole user for maybe 4-5 years on city paths, and parks.
As for hiking-- when I was climbing the mtns here in Australia I never used a stick. the only advantage would be on slippery loose gravel going downhill...and fording streams across slippery rocks.
I'm saying this as a daily trekking pole user for maybe 4-5 years on city paths, and parks.